quiet as we get closer to seven it gets
quiet oh all right first uh before I uh
call the meeting in order I just want to
say a couple things um I want to welcome
the new
trustees and uh I want to say uh Terry
and
Pam Jennifer
residents and people webcast in uh be
patient with us we're we're learning and
we'll get
there I also want to thank you for this
opportunity to serve as your supervisor
and
uh I want you to know the main reason
I'm here is uh because I love this
Township that's really why I'm here
and I
uh I think that's why uh the board
members are here yeah you love this town
residents I I think that's why you're
all here too you you love this
Township and
uh I think we can all agree on that one
item we love this Township
right so
uh I got ask that you uh agree and
disagree respectfully For the Love of
this Township from here on
out so with that I will call the meeting
in order and we'll do the Pledge of
Allegiance I pledge aliance to the flag
of the United States of America and to
the Republic for which it stands one
nation under God isible with liy and
justice for
all all
right
Terry
call see zba we went over
there Greg KS here Jennifer Eden here
Sarah dolman Jersey here Herman Ferguson
here Dean HW here Chris Retta here Pam
moer
here all right
um looking for approval of the
agenda or any changes in
additions I have some changes or
addition i s say additions to
propose uh all right
Chris uh so um I'd like to propose the
following and I'll Terry if you don't
have a this can give it to you uh in
writing as well but um the uh to discuss
establishing some a new meeting format
with some new ideas around public
comment time and things of that nature
that's one one of them I'd also like to
discuss um in addition to the other
items that are on the agenda today uh
some additional Planning Commission
directives um from the board to the
Planning Commission uh I'd also like to
discuss uh opening up the township
residence with other legal and
engineering firms to consider that and
uh I have uh an addition additional one
here to uh which says call for a line
item a line item level review of the
budget uh which is much more detailed
than what we normally get and uh in my
discussions Greg with you I think an an
electronic copy that we can study uh and
whatnot we'll be just fine and um
somebody to contact for questions and
whatnot since I know that's a very
lengthy thing to go through we don't
have to necessarily do it here but uh
and I'd also uh like to add an item to
discuss setting up a date for a board
workshop and uh we have a bunch of uh
detailed things that we don't
necessarily have to cover here in this
meeting but a workshop with the public
invited of course would be uh a very
helpful thing because we have a lot to
uh to move forward are there any of the
any uh questions about any of those
items that I can clarify with any
detail
so all these items are are really just
items we're going to talk about nothing
we we are going to act upon tonight well
we can act upon uh the Planning
Commission directives for example those
are those are things we can we can
certainly uh act upon um we can act upon
any of the items that we feel so moved
and an agreement to do
that and the and the workshop obviously
is is not to Workshop here during this
meeting it's to establish a date for a
workshop with a suggestion of items that
we can expand or contract on at that
Workshop you're you're looking at having
uh separate work workshops of the board
meeting and uh those workshops would be
used to
discuss specific uh topics yeah you want
me to run through those the ideas that I
have here first or uh yeah I guess you
could quickly okay sure just brief yeah
not a problem uh so some of the topics I
I think that could benefit from a
um uh a workshop could include how we're
going to manage issues and questions
tracking and communication because
residents will uh allow will have issues
and they'll give comments and questions
we need to track those things and
respond to those things that's a key
thing that's been uh one of those items
we also would uh like to talk about some
website improvements and the ways that
we can adjust some of the things that
are key uh to making sure we have the
highest level of communication
audiovisual support has been uh it seems
to be a challenge in in spots at uh
during many of the meetings especially
when bringing uh other consultants and
whatnot in from uh zoom and other things
so I just want to make sure that we have
uh all the right pieces in place to
support the meetings uh we're going
smoothly for our residents and for us so
they're not a distraction uh it support
you know do we have the right uh uh
networking capabilities Wi-Fi here in
the in the meeting rooms and Etc where
we meet uh there's also another one on
here called Peg funding uh that's for
the Fenton area cable television
Consortium I'd like to learn more about
that and understand and talk about it in
a workshop uh what that funding does how
it benefits the residents things like
that um there's something that I also
heard of during my campaigning called
Community broadband internet
availability I'm not sure where that is
if that ever is something that's
actually just a dream or a rumor and if
there's anything that would be tied to
that other things could be uh strategic
planning discussions and I know Sarah
has some great ideas around helping to
lead that kind of discussion um uh
reviews of the different departments uh
budgeted projects I think we need to
create transparency against hey we last
meeting we approved two roads to be be
paved uh where do those appear when are
those going to get started when do we
when do we see progress and those types
of things so the budget stuff that we're
committing I'd like to see a calendar
put together but we need to Workshop
what that would look like if possible
and if it's something and of course
education for the township how do we run
meetings who are we what's a trustee all
those kinds of things and uh to get
people ramped up so those are just some
of the items I think would be good for a
workshop as an
idea Greg I I'd like to make one change
that if we could um under the the board
workshops um you know one of the things
we're looking at doing tonight is
talking about uh the moving some stuff
back to our Planning Commission um if we
are going to do that um I think the
review of the planning department um
especially since we have two openings
already I think that needs to proba be a
part of a discussion for tonight um
again what we have we don't have to
necessarily act on it but I think we
need to start that discussion tonight so
that we have things in progress and in
motion for that uh
that uh Workshop where whether it be
next week or the
following so that would be item I under
number
10 oh so it's part of 10 it's part of 10
I'd like to move it into the into uh our
our discussion for
today well instead of a for your work
workshop I guess
I'm I'm I'm having trouble understanding
exactly what I what we're adding to the
agenda planning members planning what
what do we what are we looking I'd like
to uh to add planning department
review to today's
agenda can I make a comment please
um I think there have been a number of
issues named already tonight that are
very important things to
discuss but I am uncomfortable
coming with an agenda that has already
been put out to the
public and now we're talking about
adding huge things for a discussion in
one evening if we're going to do a
review of the planning
department I feel like that needs some
forethought and some materials for us to
go over and maybe having planning
department people here that can answer
our
questions um I'm not disagree that you
know I I think it there's value in
reviewing that department as Chris
mentioned with strategic planning
there's a lot of work to be done with
that but um you know if we have items to
add to the agenda that are discussion
items maybe but if there are things that
are going to be voted on I feel like
there needs to be information that's put
out both to the public and to us as
board members before we can really
understand what it is we're voting on
I'm I'm only representing that we bring
it up for discussion not making any CH
or any actual voting uh today but we
need to start discussing discussing that
if we're going to move this stuff back
to the the planning department we have
to have a department to send it back
to
well you'll notice almost all the items
on our agenda are about the Planning
Commission so we're in the process
of putting it back together and that's
really what tonight's meeting the main
focus that's why I think it should be
part of tonight's
discussion I also want to just say about
workshops that um I have drafted a
proposal that I did not ask to add to
the agenda tonight because I felt like
the proposal should be in written form
and includeed in the next packet if
we're really going to go down that road
but that proposal
includes um involving residents and
trying to do some research as to how
other communities conduct their
workshops looking at feasibility at
format at cost at frequency and bringing
that information back to the board so
that we can make decisions about what
works for our community
um I don't I'm just expressing my own
discomfort with scheduling a workshop
when we really don't have a plan for
what workshops are going to be yet
so um I'm just putting that out there
for consideration well we'll we'll
discuss both those items we'll make it
short
and
we'll I I I'm with you Sarah I I think
we need to investigate other workshops
so that we understand how to make them
work
to work
efficiently so we Greg last night I
attended F Workshop I've went to several
but what they did is they met in the
conference room instead of the boardroom
they went around and they had residents
there and they talked about adding well
one subject they had was extending a
pipeline water to a business because
they have arsenic and stuff in the
groundwater and they went and talked
about it but what they had is they had
the residence where they had input into
it and I think a lot of these things
need to be from the residents we have an
agenda set I think we need a lot of
these things are Workshop things because
the residents won't be able to interact
with us on this
tonight and to add this many items to
this it was tough for me to get one item
in five years on the agenda and I'm not
saying they're not important yeah but
like Sarah said everybody has the agenda
already set and now we're ex changing it
and on this here I don't want this to
turn into like a Planning Commission
meeting where it goes three hours on
this here Chris on these uh four items
that you have you said acting on it
tonight I don't think that would be fair
to the citizens because they weren't
notified in time to come here on this
but as far as with the Planning
Commission directive from the board what
what do you envision on this tonight
just a discussion well there's uh
there's three items that uh that I'm
proposing that we we talk about to send
to the Planning Commission we need to uh
one is around the master plan and the
the fact that the master plan doesn't
have any renewable energy section that
was not part of what the uh the previous
Planning Commission had put in so we
need to address that by by talking
about just sending that back to the to
the for discussion at the Planning
Commission it's uh be best discussed at
the Planning Commission but we need to
give them some idea second one for the
Planning Commission is to relook at the
solar ordinance specifically the battery
and wind storage ordinances that were
approved by the board uh last time say
that outside of PA 233 the the new law
that's now in effect right that we don't
do anything under the minimums in PA 233
we're not going to do anything in
battery we're just not going to allow it
we're going to prohibit wind under what
those minimum megawatt uh installations
are and we don't do that for solar so
I'm proposing to to send that back too
and to say have the Planning Commission
work a little differently on the solar
one specifically say we don't allow any
commercial industrial for example in the
Solar ordinance that we've passed but we
do need to protect our residents rights
to have solar implementations for the
residents or for the area and what that
looks like so I'd like to do a little
more work and I'm proposing asking uh uh
to send that to the Planning Commission
as well for some additional work based
on residents feedback throughout the
campaigns and throughout the summer and
in the
past can someone clarify for me it if
it's the board's role to direct the
planning commiss
Chris is
talking we can ask Chuck that
question the Township Board does not
have the authority to direct the
Planning Commission to do certain things
outside of their statutory
duties
um the Planning Commission like the
zoning board are independent entities
created by a statute
um there's not a hierarchy which makes
one of these entities
on top of the other they all have their
independent
roles um so if there's going to be
changes to for example zoning ordinances
the Planning Commission has to go
through a process to do that um it would
probably be ill advised to direct the
Planning Commission to create an
ordinance that says X Y and Z doesn't
mean that the Planning Commission cannot
reopen ordinances review those
ordinances have public hearings and make
decisions as far as recommend
recommendations as to amendments to
those and and while we're talking here
Mr supervisor um there's a lot of
discussion about amending uh the agenda
for tonight um there is a longstanding
written policy adopted by Tyrone
Township more than two decades ago that
requires uh when there is to be items
added to the agenda that they be added
at least by the Wednesday before the
meeting and documents that are in
support
um of whatever that agenda item be
submitted by the Friday before the
meeting and I think the purpose of that
is so that the public when they come and
see the agenda they can decide whether
or not they want to come to participate
or not and so um as far as creating
amendments um unless the
township revisits this policy at some
time in the future uh to create these uh
vast amendments to the current agenda
probably be a violation of that policy
even though Cunningham's done in the
past add its track to change things on
the agenda quite often all the time
quite often I understand what you're
saying but I'm just telling you what the
policy is if somebody have asked me you
never mentioned that policy when he was
doing it did you did you ever mention it
once I mentioned in in private in
public okay well I thank you for
confirming the fact that the township as
in especially in the bylaws does allow
the township ship board to pass
directives which you just confirmed as
well that we can direct the township or
the Planning Commission to pick things
up and then the Planning Commission can
decide it's not up to Township to direct
them to approve something it's up to the
township to direct them that there has
to be a reason to reopen it and that's
in the bylaws yeah but you can't my
point is you can't say adopt an
amendment that says x y i I'm not that's
not that's not what we're suggesting and
so I've been very careful to say we're
giving them directives to pick something
up but if it's something they've already
passed like the pl the master plan or an
ordinance then they have to be told uh
at least instructed why we would be
wanting them to do something else
different when something's already been
passed to just say pick something up and
with no reason that doesn't make any
sense it's just not the way that uh uh
but but the uh bylaws definitely allow
us to uh give them some instructions or
uh or directives to do that and I
appreciate you confirming that thank
you okay so back to the added agenda
items we're down to
just the new board
format you want to talk about
that is that do you want some more
detail no I want to know if that needs
to be on the agenda
I've proposed all of these items for the
agenda I'm sorry I thought I was
clear
okay so new board item Planning
Commission directives discuss opening
relationships with legal and engineering
firms and uh discuss uh board workshop
dates right
possible all right
um You have those right now P everything
okay I guess I'll
uh ask for approval of the uh of the
revised
agenda I can make a motion to
approve
second support yeah whatever the proper
word would
be and take a vote we're voting on all
of them at once
yeah he didn't pull any
of you just a
discussion yeah it's not going into this
this just opens a discussion outside of
the one the Planning Commission
directives are pretty simple but um we
can have a discussion about all of these
that's really the
goal I think this would be best in a
workshop from what I seen last night the
hostility we've had for 5 years here
they don't have that at Fen because they
have workshops where the citizens can
ask whether they want to do that and
stuff and I think that would be the best
thing is to have this right here either
move to next week or with these things
here is have the residents more involved
for 5 years they weren't they couldn't
ask us questions and I would just look
at them and I think we need to open it
up with a workshop to discuss this that
would be my recommendation I
agree I agree with her I I would like
these to be more in a workshop format I
would like to get the residents involved
in in in some of this well you have a
motion and a support that needs to be
acted on next yep as per
Robert all in
favor I I all oppose n
n okay so we're back to just the uh
regular agenda
the posted agenda I should
say I make a motion to approve the
agenda as
presented no
changes
support all in favor I I all oppos nay
nay all right the motion carries
we're on to the new uh for the regular
agenda here posted
agenda
um
board no approval of the consent
agenda need to read each of those
regular board minutes meetings for the
November 19th
meeting uh clerks warrant and bills
November 26th
and then the monthly budget report
November 24th or
2024
uh
looking for a motion for
approval
support motion have to make the motion
make a motion to approve it I'll
support all in favor I I oppose
all right motion
carries
Communications no
Communications all right uh open it up
for public remarks
Scott thank you guys dialogue that's
what like you guys all sat there and
talked didn't have people people just
sitting there filling seats not saying
anything it was a wonderful debate
beautiful I love to hear now was there
anything on there I agree with not
putting stuff on the agenda because
that's what we fought for all these
years that stuff you know having too
much on the agenda because a lot of
people out here don't understand half
the stuff we're talking about anyway
until they get
clarification but is there anything on
that list because I didn't want to
interrupt you that's very important
could or should put on the agenda that's
what Dean was referring to that's what
you know there's items that I know
sometimes we have to put on the agenda
because they hit us at the last minute
now I know we've been fighting with the
so wind I don't know you know you guys
see more than I see so you're not I know
you're just getting into it so if
there's anything on there maybe you guys
I don't know if anyone of you think
that's that important that it has to be
done tonight if not in the future I
don't want to see agendas this long but
if they are I think we've already talked
about a lot of people haven't been
talking to to you guys that this could
be dealt with in a whole different way
so they'll hopefully we'll get them to
understand because I have talked a
couple people here so on the side so but
you know thanks guys for having the
dialogue and it shows us that we have
people that aren't afraid and you guys
can all walk away not killing each other
so thank you very much thanks Scott to
answer your question as well we uh we
can't add anything on the agenda from
that list because they just voted not to
do that that's fine I understand say
okay I heard that question we know in
the future you know we'd like to have
everything on the agenda time but we but
everybody understands if there's
something emergency you know even the
attorney you know he did say he
directed what we will do Scott is we do
have Planning Commission stuff on the
agenda we are going to tweak the
Planning Commission tonight no I
understand and we will schedule a
workshop we want everybody further tweak
the plan that's what everybody want so
but we're going to do it right we got to
do it right yeah and I'm glad to see
that the attorney is tonight it sounded
like he was a little more expl give us a
little more explanation and I'd like to
see our attorney give a little more
explanation because we're lawyers I mean
I've learned a lot of things and I will
just tell you Chuck has been extremely
helpful that's F we want to have dialog
with our attorney I mean we want to be
able to communicate I mean the only
thing I ever thought was wrong was I
think our attorney should support the
people not the I don't know what the
legality is on that but I mean the the
people are hiring the attorney and
attorneys there work with the people not
we'll get there we'll get there Scott
thank you
anyone
else good
evening my name is Dave Forester I'm new
I'm a new Resident to Tyrone Township
and uh congratulations to all of you
that that came out ahead in the last
election I am also the um treasur for
the triome Township historical society
and I'm encouraged by this board's
commitment to community involvement
that's what I've gathered listening to
to all of the um individuals that ran
and um I've gotten to know Herm a little
bit in some of the meetings with the
Historical Society Community involvement
is dear to I feel most of your hearts up
here and having said that it's the hope
that the relationship of the township um
that already exists with the Historical
Society will continue to grow and expand
in the days and years to come it's our
hope that in the near future the
Township Board assign a board member as
a liaison to to the historical society
and that the Historical Society um
assigned alazon to you to help Foster
that
relationship whether it's the townhouse
project the pioneer days or the
publication of the backward glance book
we at the Historical Society are working
hard to bring our community together and
welcome collaboration with you an effort
to create better community involment so
we're here to to welcome you all
and uh my first meeting with you so I'm
I'm excited to be here all right well
thank you
Dave all
right good evening I'm Steve Hasbrook I
once was in exactly your position that
you in right you're in right now there
was a large change over I was a
trustee and I I congratulate all of you
you know Pam and and Jennifer also that
you know you guys are going to be able
to help in this role and you know you
got a lot of new people that have a lot
of big ideas and good ideas and there's
you know we we struggled some and you
know the go-getters that were on the
board they bowed out very quickly they
were gone within months because they
didn't understand that they're working
in government now you got the public you
got attorneys you got other people's
attorneys that you got to deal with and
it's a challenge so I appreciate that
you're stepping up to to do what you're
going to do so I wish you all well thank
you Steve thank you
Steve Janette
good evening Janette Retta Tyrone
Township resident um I want to
especially welcome supervisor KS and the
rest of the trustees to the board the
overwhelming support some of you
received at the polls wasn't just an
election it was a clear message from the
community um people want meaningful
change that values genuine relationships
with the residents and that includes
transparency accountability and
Leadership and so for those of you who
ran campaigns and actively reached out
to the community I want to thank you for
bringing those values to the Forefront
that people responded to your message
they showed that they're ready for a
Fresh Approach one where residents are
heard their concerns are addressed and
officials are happy to engage and work
together um tonight marks exciting uh
start of a new chapter for our Township
I believe and I know the people of
Tyrone Township stand ready to support
this board because I hear it all the
time residents tell me how much they
love living here and how much they want
their voices to matter the past few
years have been tough in that regard but
now together I believe we can turn a new
page thank you to those who ran
campaigns that reflected the values and
commitment this community deserves and
again that is transparency
accountability and Leadership um we're
all looking forward to seeing the
progress this board will make in the
years ahead and um I personally look
forward to any opportuni to be able to
help in any way with your efforts thank
you thank you
Janette anyone
else all
right's I even paying
attention
was if you get too long I'll just say it
off that's
fine all right um we're all done with
public remarks on finished
business uh we don't have anything no no
all right everything's finished new
business
uh we have a request for the supervisor
and the trustees to attend MTA uh new
officials Workshop
um I'm uh looking at sometime in
December here um not sure what the
trustees are looking for but uh I think
it's
uh I like training I think training is
good for everyone I've also I've even
talked to the planning uh commission
people and the zba people it's 28 years
on the zba I never had any training I
did did it all on my own so
um with that
said I'm looking for a motion to uh
approve I'll make a motion I
supported all in favor I I any
oppos all
right uh we had uh one of the Planning
Commission members
resign Steve
Krauss I thanked him for his many years
of service but uh he had decided it was
not for him
anymore uh so I'm looking for a motion
to accept his
resignation motion to accept
support all in favor I I
oppose all right uh item number
three uh I
have talked to the trustees individually
about this and
uh I think I
have pretty good consensus that uh Chris
Reta is is probably the best uh person
to appoint to that board as our uh what
do they call it
afficianado something like that ex
official ex official yeah ficado is a
cigar smoker you you'll have to
determine
a fish andado or not after I'm a cigar
smoker so I'm I'm not an ex whatever I'm
a fish
andado anyway um here's that fun new
title it's supposed to be fun by the way
yeah you could laugh come on it's like
we don't have to be that serious do we
uh I'm looking for a motion to to
appoint Chris Retta I don't know if
there's any questions from the board uh
any answers from the board I'll make a
motion Point Chris repe it to the
planning board as our leaz on support
all in favor I
oppose all right
Chris second job thank you I excuse
third job thank you Duty you want to
take on
anymore where I need it thank you yes
thank you for for for stepping up um and
I look forward to that's a
uh that's a very important job
especially in the next uh six months we
got a lot to
do
uh I also would like to put out a notice
to the public uh that we are looking we
have one Planning
Commission uh commissioner open opening
uh I did receive one
application um um and I supposedly have
a couple more coming in uh but I want to
make a public announcement to it if
anybody hasn't heard
please send me a little cover letter on
why you want to why you feel you want to
be on that board what you can contribute
and maybe a little uh resume on your uh
your background Greg what's the deadline
on that have it in
um yeah
okay um well I'd like to uh I'd like to
have
a a person
picked before the next
meeting so I'm going to
say board meeting or there a board
meeting a board meeting I would like to
have
someone that's the 17th I think right
prop the next board meeting yeah to
bring up to you guys so the next board
meeting is the 17th uh I would let's say
by the 10th by next week next Tuesday
I'd like to is that something we can
post publicly or in the paper I
don't can we do
that and is there a for is there an
application form or anything or or
anything for that you said if you
anybody wanted to apply or is it just to
send that note as you described it
wouldn't get in there until Sunday
if we meet the deadline by
tomorrow you post till Sunday do it by
the
10th maybe appoint it by
Thursday homepage of the website would
be lovely we could uh we could move it
to the 12th that would give them a
little more time from reading it on
Sunday so so let's say the deadline is
the
12th all right I'm
uh looking for a motion to approve the
public notice for a planning
commissioner
and application and have it uh posted in
the newspaper I'll make a motion can we
add the website too website
sure
support all in favor I I
close all right and the last item on our
uh new business uh the meeting room
carpet
cleaning you notice that spot back there
I'm sure how that happen so I included
in the packet the cost from last year
from modernistic was $
48907 I'm assuming it'll be somewhere
around they clean the whole the whole
thing not just Spott it right they clean
the entire thing this room yeah just
this room we didn't we didn't send out
get any quotes we're just G to go off
the last year's well that that's what
I'm asking what what do we want to do I
mean it's 500 bucks it's I don't think
we're getting it cheaper anywhere
else how soon could they do it well as
soon as I call them they're they're
pretty good within a couple weeks they
come well I mean the question is did it
last year the question I have is
typically would we go out for bid or to
uh solicit additional companies that
would provide that service and be able
to pick from a few I'm just asking went
out for bed and we had one okay one came
back so this was the one that uh bit on
it what's our process for going out for
bid on a
curiosity we call a bunch of places and
ask some to bid it do we put in the
newspaper I mean what what is our
process well for this this was posted in
the newspaper and on our website and
that but it just depends what type of
bid you're looking at so nobody really
calls anybody and says hey you are you
interested no no no it's advertised and
posted it's just the Avenue in which you
take may vary based upon what type of
bid you're looking
for and this one is just the newspaper
and our website
I'm always in favor of looking at a few
quotes two or three quotes at least yeah
I'd like to see some too if we can
there's quite a few local companies that
do it that
yeah you said only one responded back
last year yes this we'll see if you want
let's see what we
get get bids and see how many we get
okay so someone needs to make a motion
to
put a cleaning bit Yeah advertisement
are we going to have a deadline on that
also next week I think that could go
with a week we could have it in Sunday's
paper okay and give at least two weeks
for that I don't think the stains are
going
anywhere that'd be nice if they did
right well we've been waiting and
they're still there so we might add a
few
more think they're going to leave I
don't think so I'll make a motion to go
for a bit I support it all in
favor any
oppose okay
uh do we have any miscellaneous
business
no no we do
not
okay yeah I think we're right to the
last round of public remarks
Scott I got a
question got my tax bill today I
remember we had an audience here full of
people when you guys wanted to raise the
price of our fire run from 150 to
175 and I think the people were sitting
there thinking after we raised Health to
get a manufactured for home parks to pay
the same
amount so ours didn't go up ours just
went up
$25 I was on the understanding that we
wanted that issue taken care of so ours
wouldn't be raised now come on the money
that's coming out of those manufacturing
home parks now if you did what you told
us what we wanted you to do is they're
going to pay the same amount as we were
there's no need for us to go 25 mil more
so what are you going to do with all
this extra money I was in here talking
to great about know I was talking about
a different issue but please tax $25 no
I'm I tell you what Scott
um why don't you schedule something with
Jennifer and myself and we'll I I think
people this is why I said before the
public have a right to know and answer
why it went up I I'll just do this by
the next
meeting I want to know all the I want to
know all the people that are paying into
this I want to know what they're paying
I want to know how much money's coming
in I want to see the
numbers I want that's fine we can show
but I'm just saying you're talk I know
what the numbers are over there what
they were over they paying like $40 unit
we before it was raised you remember
there was a public safety hearing public
hearing that's what I just said did you
hear what I said last year yours went up
everybody's went up including the mobile
home parks the rest of the information
you can come to my office and I'll expar
what I said you didn't hear what I said
take the amount of homes over there they
used to be 40 I think per unit you went
up to 150 if you want for $150 take that
$110 times how many units you know how
much money that is you don't need that
much
money I want we're going to get Listen
Hold on let meish we're going to get
into this stuff in the future but I
can't see
$175 plus adding all those other homes
okay I'll drop it
I want I want the answers you come in
and we'll talk about we'll talk about
another issue I brought
up the other day
with Greg was we got the turn
here was PES ice climbing over two years
ago the township asked them to come in
because they were doing ice climbing
over there they had a gym in the
facility their their farm and they were
they're doing commercial ice climbing
okay so they came in here the township
made them come in he told them well
you're going to we want to know what
you're doing so we had a Planning
Commission meeting and they told us
we're just going to do ice climbing it's
only a couple times a year and you know
most people were supportive of it
okay and I stood up and I said well are
you going to have events
too no we're not going to have events
well so they passed them with
understanding that that they weren't
supposed to have alcohol served during
events
well I showed pictures where they had
alcoholic events where he put on his
website not only that it's been two
years and they haven't been back to get
final approval so I went to Ross and I
went to Greg there's
no nothing on record for any permits for
these huge poles massive beans and
fencing hanging from the but are they
ice climbing right now they're ice
climbing right now as of right now the I
climbing he's advertising and he even
tonight he says have people over there
all right ice is there tons and tons of
ice not of that he erected a rock
climbing
wall okay all this stuff has been done
without approval two years okay and the
attorney's right here I told this is why
I told Ross this is a safety violation
we haven't even had an engineer look and
see if this this this stuff could even
the let me talk with Chuck and Ross
about this I want the attorney here my
side yep we don't know how much support
these beams can hold so do we have we
have a serious safety violation over
there and I think this needs to be shut
down they've had over two years to
comply let me look in let me look in
thank
you anybody else
question Steve the Indian
betrayal um for the folks joining us in
the room that have a lot of experience
with with meetings and with the township
i' just like to ask that
um you you ladies and attorney here uh
help the
team um by being a bit of a rock and I
think his support and of course Herman
too um speak up
to help just to help everyone get off to
a good start um the other thing that I
would like clarification on um
Chris do does anybody know what the
liaison between the board and the
Planning Commission is supposed to
do because I've never seen any evidence
of any kind of cross communication so
I'm just curious for myself like Kurt
Schultz used to be the ex Le aison right
and what did he do well I never saw any
communication between the two and so I'm
just trying to figure out I never really
understood the usefulness of that
position not that it can't be I just it
it can be useful and the bylaws do talk
about uh each of the positions and there
should be um communication and report
outs as well that Kurt should have been
giving for example here to the board
after the Planning Commission they've
taken they took the The Stance to
sometimes forward those minutes by the
secretary and things of that nature
which is was fine for the old one but we
one of the things that we weren't able
to talk about today was doing that so
hopefully we'll get a chance to talk
those things in the future on our thing
that says Planning Commission update or
report yeah we used to we have a
Planning Commission member that sits on
the zba as well okay
and that person would keep the Z we
would have conversation at the end of
our zba meeting with the Planning
Commission rep about what was going on
with the Planning Commission and then
the zba would also say hey you guys need
to look at this
ordinance we got we had some trouble
clarifying what's going on we need to
clar that that red book when it was
first adopted in the in the late
90s uh I mean it went through a lot of
revisions for that very reason right
there the zba was constantly going back
to the Planning Commission saying you
guys we need to fix this so there should
be
communication between that board rep and
the board they sit on
yeah and vice versa yeah and it makes I
mean it makes sense and that's what
every time I come to a meeting or you
know split time between both meetings
it's like I I never heard any
consistency in communication so that's
why I kind of want to hear what you it's
one of the top things on our list and we
also talked about too uh maybe having a
joint board and Planning Commission
meeting for example that's something in
the future that we can discuss and talk
about you know what as as that the level
of importance of that comes
up anyways congratulations everybody and
I'm I'm hopeful that you're going to be
successful so thank you thanks
Ste anybody
else come on J you know you want to
stop well um again and Janette Retta
proud Tyrone Township president I really
am I love this this Township and I'm
happy to be here um one thing I just
want to bring up quickly and I wasn't
going to I thought maybe it was going to
be a bit of a longer meeting but looks
like it's going to be short so um on
November 25th Dr Remington Neville the
medical director for the St Clair County
Health Department Department authored a
paper addressing public health risks
associated with industrial solar plants
and data centers I plan on presenting in
this to the Planning Commission but it's
something that the board should know
about also in his seven-page report he
responded to public concerns raised uh
during a Board of Trustees meeting about
the potential Health impacts of these
facilities and as the medical director
he was tasked with investigating these
concerns again it was from St Clair um
he said this is an excerpt in my
professional medical opinion and based
upon my education training and
experience my review of the pertinent
facts and circumstances and then he says
uh under for the certification under
Public Act 233 that's the new law that
just went into effect he said
constitutes a potential public health
risk to the residents of St Clair County
and are therefore subject to local
public health oversight and action this
is huge for a medical uh director of a
county to say this so um there's much
more that he said in that paper it's
been widely circulated among all the
townships and townships in of livon
County um I strongly urge this board to
take note of his findings and consider
how they might apply to tyone Township
the actions taken by that St Clair
County Board and its medical director
are a testament to how residents can
affect change this paper was produced
because residents raised their voices at
a meeting and brought the concerns and
they were heard and action was taken
it's a powerful example of how a
community working together can help
ensure that the right steps are taken to
protect its residents so as I said I
will present it at the Planning
Commission and if anybody wants um a
copy of this seven page report um you
might want to re just contact me and
I'll send it to you um the other thing
that I'd like to say tonight is um the
audio in this room is horrible and
somebody needs I'm getting messages from
people that are saying can somebody do
something with the audio so can we
please look at I thought we had a
technical person that was hired or
talked about hiring them last board
meeting um I think it was 10 minutes
weren't recorded again I've got the
recording does the township want it I'm
happy to provide it to you for your
records um so I'd like to see that that
addressed and I'm just going to say to
any of the PE I know I'm directing to
you guys but for people in the audience
today if you heard a board member
mentioned something up here that didn't
get put on the agenda guess what here's
your time to step up and say something
and get it on on on the radar because
there's many things that need to be um
addressed um I feel like they could have
been just mentioned and discussed
tonight I don't know why there was
opposition to it but um we are working
with government and government works
slow slow slow slow it does not have to
be that way we can be an example we can
get things done so I do hope that um as
many of you campaigned on that Clarity
and transparency and that let's find a
way to get things done instead of
dragging our feet people are here they
want to see change okay thank you thank
you wish you all the best thank you
jet is that it anybody
else all
right well I'm looking for a uh motion
to adjourn so
support all in favor
I all right thank you for all being here
appreciate
it we just got a it's it's now
in to figure out how to get on the next
meeting
agenda what the process is I don't think
we need to vote to have things added to
each other
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